Here’s a list someone compiled (I could have done so too but I don’t have as much free time as that person) on the coherence of The Dark Knight’s plot. Just read through it and have a great time sulking if you actually disagree with it.
SPOILERS AHEAD! PROCEED WITH CAUTION!
1. The bank raid
The school bus just happens to break through the wall at the exact moment that the last remaining bank robber is holding a gun on the Joker. How is everything so perfectly choreographed that the robber ends up in the exact spot he needs to be to get hit by the bus? Not realistic at all. Then, the school bus drives out of the bank at the exact right moment to join up with a huge procession of other school buses! And there just happens to be a space for the bus to enter. For this to happen, everything from the beginning to the end of the raid would have to happen with split-second precision and timing with no room for error.
Impossible, as there are too many variables at play. For example, the gunshot-toting bank manager. That was unforeseen and put a crimp in their plan. Yet despite this, everything *still* runs like clockwork. I also disliked the way the Bank robbers explained the plot as they set up the raid, talking about who gets a cut and about the Joker. Was this necessary? This kind of ‘hey folks, this is what’s happening!’ dialogue plagues the whole film. Another prime example is when Ramirez tells Gordon about the Joker card with three sets of DNA. Gordon responds: ‘The Joker is trying to tell us who he’s targeting’. Well, no *beep* That is OBVIOUS.
2. Other bank raid nonsense
i) Why was the alarm that can disable the entire security system of the bank on the roof – the easiest place for would-be criminals to get at it? ii) Why abseil onto the roof from across the street? This is the least inconspicuous way to get into the bank?! Furthermore, breaking that window would lead to glass showering down onto the street, which would attract attention, would it not? iii) Where are the Bank’s security guards? iv) At the beginning of the raid, there are screaming customers everywhere. Near the end of the raid, the customers have mysteriously disappeared. Where did they go? Running off into the street to alert the cops? v) Are we to believe that The Joker’s mob commandeered an entire fleet of school buses and that’s why everything was done with such precision?
3. Scarecrow scene
Batman jumps from the top level of the parking structure and lands on an escaping SUV. What happens? The SUV is crushed AND the impact of Batman makes it stop. GIVE ME A BREAK! Batman is only a mere mortal. He would have bounced off the car and would have made a minor dent at best. He was only about 50 feet up, yet when he lands *on his legs*, he is somehow strong enough to crush the entire roof of the vehicle!
4. The Hong Kong section
Overblown and overwritten. There are simpler ways to grab Lau and bring him back to the US. Why grab him in his office building?! Does he live there? I think not. Batman could’ve nabbed Lau *far easier* at his residence/on the street/in his car etc with less personal risk and expensive planning.
5. The Rachel/Dent/Wayne triangle.
I hated the fact that Rachel was in a serious relationship with Dent yet she still kissed Wayne on the balcony at that party. This made me lose respect for her character because she is basically cheating on Dent. Rachel is supposed to be this strong, moral woman with inalienable principles, yet she cheats on someone she clearly loves. The triangle didn’t need to be written this way; it would have been better if Bruce went in for the kiss and Rachel pulled back.
6. Commissioner Loeb’s death.
Right at the moment Gordon arrives with news of the threat, Loeb decides to have drink, and dies right at the moment Gordon is figuring out where the DNA could have come from. Okay, it’s possible but it’s just so contrived! Let’s assume that Loeb only found out about the threat when Gordon arrived. How ridiculous is this?! Surely if the Police Commissioner’s life is at risk, you want to let him know *straight away* just in case something happens? Gordon should have phoned Loeb and filled him in. This is just logical behavior, especially in the cell-phone age.
7. Bruce’s party
How does Bruce know of the triple threat to Dent/Loeb and the judge? There is no way he can know. If Gordon was going to call anyone, he would call Dent on his cell-phone to let him know, would he not? Dent has to have one, surely?! Batman is set in the cell phone age so the idea that Dent doesn’t have one is ridiculous. Also, Bruce was at the party with everyone else, so the chances of his listening to a police radio are slim at best. Besides, what would prompt him to be listening to police radio broadcasts in the middle of a party? On top of this, he manages to get to Dent and hide him seconds before the Joker appears. How convenient!
9. The Joker crashing Bruce’s party.
Why wait till Dent is at a party in Bruce Wayne’s penthouse *after* announcing to the world that Dent is a target? Of course, the whole thing is set-up so that the Joker can throw Rachel off the roof. This could have been written in a far more realistic way. People will argue that the Joker is an attention whore – okay, I can accept that to an extent, but it seems like a hell of a lot of trouble to go to find Dent when if he really wanted to kill Dent he could have done it in a far easier manner.
10. Rachel and Batman falling off the roof.
I can just about buy the fact that the fall was broken by Batman’s wings, but come on! No sign of any injury to Rachel? She wasn’t even winded. Ever so slightly beyond the realms of possibility I feel.
11. Fingerprints on the bullet sequence.
This doesn’t make sense because the fingerprint would be on the *shell casing* not the bullet itself! The bullet is encased in the shell-casing, which is discarded (along with fingerprints) when the bullet is fired. Furthermore, Bruce arrives in the room and finds those men tied up at the exact moment the shooting is going to take place. How convenient.
12. Commissioner Loeb’s funeral.
We’re expected to believe that with hundreds of Cops around and ridiculously tight security that the Joker managed to worm his way into the Police honour guard?! Didn’t anyone notice the guy with the huge scars on his face? Granted, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility, but with everyone *expecting* some kind of assassination attack and the Cops on alert, it’s just laughable that this could take place.
13. Gordon’s faked death.
Why would you put your family through the worst trauma imaginable when they were not even at risk?! Gordon says he faked his death because his family was at risk but this is utter nonsense. Why? Because the Joker thinks Gordon is dead. If he’s dead, he’s not a threat ergo his family is not at risk. Even if Gordon thought his family *could* be at risk, why not just get them out of the city and the state and into protective custody? Surely this is better than making them think he was dead?
14. The Gotham chase
Someone please explain exactly how a multi-tonne truck flips over so easily after snagging on some metal wire?! It’s a great action set-piece but once again it’s let down by bad writing in my view. Also, Batman has such prodigious control over the Bat-bike that he can execute a perfect 180 turn at speed using a wall as leverage, but when he’s charging the Joker he loses all control and flips the bike?! The Joker fires a bazooka missile at the SWAT van carrying Dent. If not for the tumbler getting in the way and taking the hit, Dent would have died. Again, this is all apparently part of the Joker’s fiendish plan to…get caught.
15. The Joker’s escape.
The Joker is Gotham’s most notorious and wanted criminal, yet they leave him *uncuffed* and guarded by a single Cop?! And of course, the Cop just happens to have a suspect temperament, which the Joker manipulates. If the Joker is in a locked room, why would there need to be a Cop inside the room with him?! Also, why was there no one stationed outside guarding the room? We can surmise that there wasn’t anyone guarding because if there was a fight going on, surely the guard would have heard it from outside? Again, everything happens at exactly the right time. All this is dependant upon having a single cop guarding the joker inside the room who loses his cool, allowing the Joker a chance to escape. And of course, the guy with a bomb in his stomach just happens to be captured and in jail at the exact time the Joker needs him.
16. The idea that the Joker ‘planned to be caught’.
After Rachel dies, Gordon is angry at himself and says ‘he wanted us to lock him up in the MCU’. So, let me get this straight: the massive chase scene through Gotham which culminated in Gordon capturing the Joker was really part of the Joker’s grand scheme as he ‘planned’ to get caught?! The Joker even explained *at length* that he was not someone who planned things, yet he is apparently the greatest criminal tactician that ever lived!
17. Reese revealing the true identity of Batman.
So, Reese goes on TV and says he’ll reveal the truth about Batman. Meanwhile, the scene is intercut with the Joker in a warehouse burning his half of the mob’s cash. Then, *in the very next scene*, the Joker is calling into the TV show and threatening to blow up a hospital if someone doesn’t kill Reese! How does the Joker go from burning money in a warehouse, to finding a TV, watching the show then calling up with his hospital threat in a matter of hours?
So, if the Joker decides to blow up a hospital in response to Reese’s TV ploy, how does he and his mob manage to rig the place with gas canisters and explosives *in broad daylight* without being seen? Come on! This is beyond ridiculous. And it’s not about suspension of disbelief, it’s about not treating your audience like morons. There is *no way* on earth that in this day and age of heightened security that an entire hospital could be rigged to blow in broad daylight and no one saw a thing! The entire building was pulverized – imagine the amount of explosives and petrol canisters needed to do that kind of damage. And again, what’s going on with the timeline? The Joker is burning money; somehow finds a TV to watch; calls in and threatens Reese; wires a hospital and visits Dent all in the space of the same day and seemingly within a few hours?
18. Sal Maroni’s confession.
After Gordon visits Dent, Maroni just happens to be in the hospital *right outside Dent’s room* and just happens to have an attack of conscience and tells Gordon where to find the Joker?!
19. Harvey Dent’s turn to the dark side.
For a start, the whole Dent story should have been saved for Part 3 instead of just being crammed into TDK. There wasn’t enough time to develop his fall into evil; it all happens in about 5 minutes. For 90 minutes, Dent is portrayed as this morally upstanding man of principle, but Dent goes from crime fighting golden boy with a an unshakeable dedication to doing good to a psychopathic murderer, and worse – potential child-murderer – in the space of 24 hours. Why? Because his girlfriend dies and he becomes disfigured? No, wait – it’s because the Joker – as well as being the greatest criminal tactician that ever lived – is also the greatest psychologist that ever lived, and a few lines of his cod philosophy at Dent’s bedside is enough to tip him over the edge and into child-murderer mindset.
20. Batman’s sonar scheme.
Lucius Fox says something along the lines of ‘You took my sonar concept and applied it to every phone in the city’. Someone explain to me how this is possible! Given the sonar technology has to be embedded in the phone itself (as we saw when Fox was in Hong Kong and left his sonar phone at security), are we expected to believe that Batman has the technology manually implanted into *every cell-phone in the city” – a city which, incidentally, has 30 million inhabitants, according to Fox. If it wasn’t manual, then how is this mass cell-phone scheme to be explained?
21. The ferry face-off.
When exactly did the Joker have time to rig two ferries with 100 barrels of fuel without anyone noticing? The whole idea is completely laughable and unrealistic, with no concern for the logistics of how something like that would be set up. Once again, for the sake of a ‘cool’ scene, the writers threw logic out of the window. But of course, the Joker is such a genius criminal, he planned this down to the last details (despite apparently now being a ‘planner’).
22. Batman’s sonar vision.
When batman faces the Joker, his sonar vision momentarily fails and this causes him to lose his bearings, allowing the Joker to attack. Why?! Earlier on in the sequence, *Batman switches between sonar vision and normal vision*. When the sonar fails, why doesn’t he just use his own vision?!
23. The Joker overpowering Batman.
After Batman’s sonar vision fails, the Joker somehow beats the crap out of Batman and manages to hold him down with a steel bar. Given the fact that Batman has been portrayed as almost superhuman for the preceding two hours (including easily subduing the Joker during interrogation), how is it possible that all of a sudden the Joker is stronger. In Batman begins, BW takes on about 20+ ninjas and none of them get the better of him. In TDK, all it takes to down Batman is steel bar and couple of rottweilers!
24. Dent at the hospital
After being marked for death, almost killed and then disfigured, why is Dent left alone at the hospital with no one guarding him?
25. Poor editing
i) How did the Joker leave the party after Batman and Rachel went off the roof? Dent is still locked in a cupboard somewhere and lots of party guests at risk. Should this not have been tied up with perhaps a five second shot? ii) The Joker taunts the cop guarding him and goads him into a fight. Cut to the next scene, the Joker has him as a hostage. Why cut out the scene with *how* he overpowered this guy? Surely this would be a scene than fans want to see?! iii) Dent and Rachel are kidnapped by the Joker’s henchmen. Why didn’t we see it? Again, we are just told it happened instead being shown what happened.
26. The kidnapping of Dent
It is standard police procedure to allow a senior public figure whose life has been threatened to go to visit his girlfriend seconds after being pursued by a madman hellbent on killing him? Is it also good police practice to let him go without any kind of police escort. The fact that the Joker’s vast network of henchmen were *not* captured and may still pose a threat did not seem to matter.
27. Gordon’s negligence
i) The new Police Commissioner has the apparent foresight to fake his own death, but he cannot foresee the possibility that the joker may try and escape. Of course, there’s no way anyone could have predicted the Joker might have some nefarious plan up his sleeve. After all, it’s not like he’d planned anything up to that point in the story. ii) Gordon botches the security job of protecting the Mayor *big time*. iii) Gordon allows the city’s most dangerous criminal to be guarded by a single cop. This is after he’s gone to great lengths to capture the Joker! And let’s not forget, at this point, Gordon is not Police Commissioner. The buck stops with him, and the way the Joker was guarded would have been down to him.
iv) So full of self-congratulatory bravado, Gordon just let’s Dent leave the scene of the Joker’s capture without assigning any police escorts, thus leading to Dent being kidnapped. v) Gordon just swallows the ‘let’s blame it all on Batman’ idea without question, ignoring the fact that the so-called 5 deaths could easily be blamed on any of the Joker’s henchmen. Gordon is too busy with composing his poetic monologue to actually think like a Cop.
28. Pointless ending
The film tries to make Batman into a mythical anti-hero with his sacrifice at the end, but the whole thing is moot really – Batman will be ‘hunted’ for about 10 minutes and then he’ll be Bruce Wayne again, so he won’t be in any danger! Anyway – what has changed since the beginning of the film? Gordon tells Dent that the official policy is to ‘arrest the vigilante known as Batman on sight’. Is this not the same situation at the end of the film?!
29. Lau’s immunity to the effects of fire
Lau doesn’t even scream whilst he’s being burnt alive!
30. Evacuation of the hospital
If you examine how things take place within the timeframe of the movie, it appears that entire hospital (Gotham’s biggest) was seemingly evacuated within the space of a few hours. i) The Joker calls into the TV show saying he’ll blow up a hospital. This happens during the day. ii) Seconds later, Gordon hears this and barks orders about evacuating the hospital. iii) A scene or two later, we find the hospital pretty much evacuated and *surprise surprise*, Dent is the only person left! The point here is, it’s still daytime, so the evacuation of such a huge hospital took no time at all apparently. Not realistic AT ALL. Not even slightly comic-book realistic.
31. Maroni’s miraculous recovery.
Batman throws Maroni to the street from 3 stories up. We hear the crunch as he lands feet first. Literally a day or so later, Maroni is walking easily with just the use a cane. No plaster cast or anything like that.
32. Dent and Maroni crash
Dent has Maroni trapped in his car, and instead of shooting Maroni, he kills the driver of the car, causing huge crash?! Half of Dent’s face is melted off and he must be in serious pain, yet he decides the best way to further his goal is to cause a car crash in which he could conceivably be killed?!
33. The Joker’s philosophy
As the Joker explains to Dent at the hospital, he doesn’t have a plan. He goes into detail about how he detests people with plans and how he’s all about chaos and anarchy. But wait, everything in the film completely negates his character because the story paints him as the greatest criminal tactician and planning mastermind that ever lived! For him to control *everything* to such a degree and have everything work *perfectly * with no mistakes, despite lots unforeseen events taking place, means that he must have planned everything to last detail. This is the reasoning of those defend the Joker’s apparent omnipotence, but it conflicts with his own philosophy! I’m sorry, but this is terrible writing.
34. The Scarecrow
Ridiculous treatment of the character after BB. made him into some weak caricature. When he stepped out of the van wearing the scarecrow mask, it just seemed out of place. And his dialogue was lame. Cut out the whole section and get on with story already. It was imperative we see that scene but not important to see how the Joker escaped the party/Dent and Rachel being kidnapped?
First off, you’re a f-ing idiot.
1)This isn’t real life, this is fantasy. And in most heist scenarios (the Ocean movies for instant) clockwork is very crucial to pulling off a big job. How did the robber get hit by the bus? Because the Joker placed him there. If you paid attention to the movie or at least had the decency to see it again before ranting, you will have noted that when the thug was about to kill the Joker, the Joker kept shifting his position so that the thug would have to shift his position to keep the gun on him. Hence, the Joker positioned himself so that the thug would position himself to where the bus would smash through. Do you really think that the Joker went through ALLLLL that trouble and didn’t know that the bank manager didn’t have a shotgun? That’s why he appointed himself the duties of robbing the people sitting on the floor, so that he would be out the way. Obviously not everyone is a genius like you and can pick up on what’s going on without any background information on why they are robbing the bank, so dialog between the robbers IS needed. AND, with them talking about the Joker like he isn’t there, makes for a better entrance for the Joker when he takes off his bank robbing mask.
2)The easiest place to access an alarm is on the roof of 10+ story building? I don’t know about you, but I wasn’t born with wings and it wouldn’t be the first place I would look to disable the alarm for a bank. Ok, I’ll give you the glass shattering and the crossing over a major street in the air is kinda sketchy. But let me say this: Couple weeks ago in the news (real life news) there was a man who got mugged outside a store with like 20+ people watching him. Not one person tried to stop the mugging; they just watched this 70 year old man get the shit kicked outta him and robbed. We do live in a society where our motto is “It ain’t affecting me, so it ain’t my problem”. I wouldn’t care to dial 911 if I saw people hopping from one building to the next even if there was glass at my feet. If I didn’t get cut by the glass, there is no lawsuit in it for me. The bank’s security was knocked out as soon as they started firing the guns in the air. They show him right next to the manager’s office. After the Joker kills the bus driver but before he leaves, he goes to grab one more bag and you can see the bank customers there cowering in fear. And it’s obvious from the kids laughing coming from the other school buses, that the Joker timed his escape with the letting out of a local school.
3)You have a problem believing that Batman’s enhanced suit can crush a car, but you think it can perfectly bend a gun barrel? And have you ever been in a car accident? When the sensors detect a huge impact, the engine automatically shuts off.
I seriously don’t have enough time to punch holes in all 34 of your comments so here is a quick rundown.
Girls cheat, especially if it’s with someone they are still in love with (She still loved Bruce)
You think Bruce’s penthouse has chump change security? He probably saw the Joker coming up the elevator…which is what they FUCKING TOOK!!
Gordon’s death was right on, with him alive the Joker would have went after him. And with crooked cops around, I wouldn’t want to entrust them with other cops.
How do you blow up a hospital? You do know oxygen in its pure form is flammable. And hospitals have a lot of that going. Not to mention other flammables.
Do yourself and all of us a favor, and watch the movie again. And remember that it is A MOVIE based on a COMIC BOOK.
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Wow dude… lighten up. There are so much less realistic movies out there, and you only picked this one to try and ruin the hype. It was a great movie; everyone thinks so– let it go and enjoy. Better yet, go write a movie yourself since you’re so quick to think of better ways to go about it.
Wow! This list is some of the most pretentious bullshit I’ve ever read.
1. Have you ever in your life seen a movie with a big heist? Go watch Oceans 12, you idiot.
2. The roof is a difficult place to get to. The fact that they had to use a rop to get across from the next building over proves that! Also, it was a mob bank! They relied on their reputation to stop people from robbing it. There was 1 visible guard on duty and he was knocked out as soon as they entered the bank.
3. Guess how much all his equipment, including his suit, weighs. A lot!
4. Do you even know what China is like? Have you now read about their hostility, gulags and insanely strict laws? Batman need to be in and out in a matter of minutes or he was fucked.
5. Your opinion here is completely subjective.
6. Ever heard of the term “drowning your sorrows”? Don’t you think that anyone who has access to his office to get his DNA would have been able to wire a bomb to the phone? That’s why Gordon didn’t call! Because the thread to Loeb’s life could be anywhere!
7. He’s the goddamn Batman! The worlds greatest detective! How did he know who that mental patient who harvey was interrogating was? Because he’s the goddamn Batman!
8. The Joker doesn’t like doing things the simple way because the simple way just isn’t fun. Christ, you should have been paying more attention to the character instead of trying to pick apart any possible flaws you saw (or sometimes made up)
I… this is a horrible joke right?
9. Rachael landed on top of Batman mostly, breaking her fall further than the wings.
10. You’re assuming that the bullet was not inserted into the gun by a fidgety mental patient….you know….like the kind the joker had been attracting to work for him since the start of the movie!?
11. Misdirection. If you’d been paying attention to the characters you’d know that the primary hinge of the Joker’s plans is misdirection.
12. Right now, I am 100% positive you weren’t paying attention to key points in the story. Like when the judge was rushed into protective custody and blown up by corrupt cops. The ONLY cops in Gotham who can be trusted are Gordon and Batman.
13. Firstly because is was carrying no cargo. Secondly because Bruce Wayne has access to bleeding edge technology. An example from the comics is someone asking him what the name of his suits material. He responds by telling them that it has no name.
Batman lost control of the bike because he was playing chicken with the joker and lost.
Dent dying was part of the jokers plan the whole time. it didn’t matter when he died, just as long as he did.
14. The joker was considered not to be a threat anymore. He’d displayed no actual fighting skill to police at all up until that point. He was unarmed. The only reason there was a cop in there guarding him is because they know the joker is smart and if left to his own devices would likely escape.
And yes, the joker got himself caught so he could get to Lau. He specifically took the fat henchman with the bomb with him in the truck so that he would get caught too and be there when he needed him.
I don’t even know why you’re sounding so surprised that the joker orchestrated all of this. He’s a criminal mastermind genius with insanely complex plans. The movie shows this all the time!
15. See above. YES. The joker planned to be caught so he could get to Lau. He planned to have Rachael kidnapped so that the entire police precinct would rush out to find her, leaving him with minimal resistance during his escape. He also planned that if Harvey survived the chase, he too would be kidnapped, further dividing the police forces strength.
16. They have advertisements in the lead up to a big event like someone revealing the identity of Batman. It’s not that hard to assume that the joker saw an advert BEFORE he burned the money in the warehouse. Not everything should need to be spelled out for you. You should be able to figure this stuff out on your own.
Also; on the topic of having time to rig the explosives. The joker at this point was RUNNING EVERY ORGANISED CRIME SYNDICATE IN THE CITY! Those explosives were most likely put there hours or even days before his escape according to his plan. In his plan, Batman had to reveal himself, not be revealed by the public. The joker didn’t want to just beat Batman, he wanted to break his spirit, and he didn’t want some nobody with a little inside information ruining his fun.
17. Sal Maroni didn’t “just happen” to be there. He went there speficially to tell Gordon where to find the joker. Why? Because he was the most powerful mob boss in the city before the Joker showed up, and he hates being second best to him now.
18. Apparently you’re also the greatest psychologist to have ever lived because you can tell us that Dent should have had a slow spiral into insanity instead of just snapping.
19. Mobile phones are constantly sending out low level radiowaves. By hacking into the telecommunications networks around the city and downloading a little firmware upgrade into they phones (and also by suspending disbelief like you’re meant to do to enjoy ANY film) it was possible to do this.
Also, the phone fox left at the reception desk in china was not a sonar phone. That phone seemed to be a wireless delivery system for a complex computer virus.
20. Once again I remind you that over the past several weeks the joker has been running every criminal syndicate in the city.
21. He didn’t use his own vision because it was dark, and the Joker was hiding.
22. Subdueing the joker in the interrogation? The joker was just sitting there. The act of subdueing someone implies that they are offering resistance. What Batman did was just beat an unarmed man for a few seconds because he was angry, and the joker sat there and took it with a smile on his face. He’s not as weak as he makes himself seem.
Also; in Batman Begins he took on 4 ninjas and the ninjas actually won that encounter by knocking him off the building into a bunch of waiting crazies.
23. There were guards. How could you have missed this!? One of the guards begins helping to evacuate. While he’s gone, the Joker kills his partner, then him upon his return.
24. In the party scene, the cops were already on their way, and with Batman indisposed and Dent nowhere in sight, the Joker leaves before the police can arrive and befoer Batman can recover. In the sequence with the cop guarding him, this is just like the sequence where the Joker meets the mob bosses (the magic trick). He goads the cop into a fight where the Joker has the advantage.
We do see Dent and Rachael being kidnapped. Remember how they were taken away in cop cars? Remember how the cops who took them away were crooked?
25. Yes, police try to get vidtims to their loved ones as soon as possible after an incident. Also; As above, Dent WAS taken away by a police escort. The escort was full of crooked cops!
26. All of these points are addressed in my above rebuttals.
27. The situation at the end of the film is that now the police will be actively hunting him.
28. Tape over his mouth. Also, the fire hadn’t reached that high in the scene. To top it all off, they’re trying to keep the movie’s rating down.
29. There’s more than 4 hours of daylight. The joker escapes with lau at dawn with the sun rising. An hour or 2 later, probably around 8AM, he calls the bomb threat in. And in a major bomb threat situation, major hospitals can be evacuated in an hour. 2 at the very maximum.
30. We never seen marconi’s legs or even below his waist. He could have had a walking frame for all you know.
31. What part of insanity don’t you understand!?
32. No. That’s not terrible writing. That’s the irony of the situation. That’s one of the Joker’s big jokes in this film. He claims he’s an agent of chaos. He claims he never plans things. But clearly he does have a plan that runs like clockwork, but in order to sew anarchy and chaos. SUBTEXT! DO YOU GET IT!?
33. This is wrapping up loos ends from the last film, and an introduction for the Batmen who Batman has inspired to help clean up Gotham. It’s meant to show that what batman is doing is working.
Also; when do you see any of the Joker’s plans being set up in the film? Never! Why? Because it would remove any sense of misdirection and suspense. But as I said above, you DO see Rachael and Harvey being kidnapped, you just don’t know that it’s happening at the time.
My final point is that you only have 33 points, not 34. You completely skipped 8.
Thanks for coming to my blog. I never knew an unadvertised blog can gain so many viewers (considering I dont try to whore it to those I know) in such a short amount of time. Well, with the above scene observed, I now know that the best way to get traffic for anything is to bash the latest overhyped summer blockbuster.
All that aside, I am not the one who posted this pile of comedy. As a commenter gladly linked here, it was someone else who wrote this. So, dont call the national guard on me ok? The Dark Knight is an entertaining movie and is probably the best movie this year so far (I have yet to watch WALL*E since it has not opened in Malaysia yet).
WOW! People are stupid… And in other news, water is wet and the sun will rise tomorrow…
Wow, nice save.
“HERP DERP, IT WAS A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT. I DIDN’T MEAN ANY OF IT *AWESOMEFACE*”
I love how he doesn’t take into account the fact that the Joker… can… lie.
Also, if you remember, the Batman broke the glass somewhat using the Joker’s head. The Joker was sitting next to the shards. They’re even partly in the shot. As the cop approached, he could have gotten the shard and put it to his throat in a single, fluid movement. Thus, even with a cop on duty outside, the Joker would have the leverage to force them to open the door. Hence, his escape from the Interrogation Room into the main area.
Although I enjoyed the movie, I agree with ~40% of the points. It was far too long, and sloppily edited.
ill do it as simple as this.
1. its a movie, it looks awesome. period. Diehard 4 with the helicopter/car scene. impossible but prob. the most awesome.
2. The joker doesnt sit in a room for x number of days and does all this. Yes, he planned the bank heist, but that is a necessity.
He plans things as they go along. Hes going doing his thing then something happens. he quickly forges various plans on what to do in various situations that might occur.
The joker, though insane is a genius. he put the explosives on the inside of those dudes, incase he got caught, then did his thing. he got caught then quickly released the guard can be easily manipulated and used it to blow everyone up.
i know this isnt your opinion (thought i dont know why youll even post it) but, this just really ticks me off
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I just have one question….. I loved this film as point but one scene seemed off to me so If I missed anything tell me…. And nobody else has seemed to comment on this scene
In the escort/chase scene… Why did no one shoot back at the joker. No one, notta. OK lets set it up for a sec. The most loved icon in the city, is being escorted to prison granted but they expect interception by the worst criminal the city has ever known and so they have a mass escort, well as much as they can gather with the whole city in chaos. Ok and most of them get taken out pretty quick, still has me going now when they go through the tunnel and by the time the joker actually shows his face and starts firing of them, I beleive there were only two cars and the van. Now they don’t fire back here because well, their bullet proof and well winding down a window would of got them shot. Ok but here is where I get caught he pulls out a BAZOOKA! and lets pretend the reason the escorts didn’t fire back cause they were corrupt and boxing the van in, and they for some reason are so scared of the joker that they are ok with him firing his bazooka at them and destroy them one by one while taking time to reload. An then the van just sit there… ok ok the driver is to busy driving but how about passanger. Nope they let him fire a total of 3 bazooka rounds in the open with no atempt at stop him.
They just gave themselves up for dead and let him pick them off one by one. You think that they would of fired back, stopped and jumped out or something, it’s not like they could of been that worried about batman escaping, being that is what most of the cops would of thought, in fact I would be uncuffing him to get him to save us.
Once again I love this movie and is for me the secound best superhero movie ever. (Ironman for me was better but only because of the humour and light heartedness, other wise as a serious movie The dark knight far exceeds it) However if someone can explain that to me I would be ever so happy,
i agree with 95% of this.
Wow, I’m sorry but you’re a freaking moron. I didn’y know people so stupid actually existed. Out of your 34 idiotic “reasons”, only 1or 2 can’t be explained or bring up any sort of point. Again, you’re a freaking moron.
And just to point something out. By far your stupidest “points” of all were where you complain about scenes not bein shown. Do you really think it matters to anyone how Joker overpowered the cop? Can you not understand the concept of something being implied? Or are you so stupid that you need an explanation for why your shit smells the way it does?
I really shouldn’t be bothering with this, because you’re clearly an uninformed twat, but lets have some fun.
1. Foreshadowing, I don’t think its forcefeeding to have one line summing up the action, as long as its not blatant or overused.
4. Lau knew Batman was coming for him. He tried to use to most secure place he could.
7. He’s fucking Batman, hes not getting drunk and galavanting, he’s working. The entire party was part of his job as Batman, though he didn’t realize when he planned it what would happen.
8. You forgot 8 altogether, jackass.
9. The entire point of the movie, as you find in the end, is that The Joker is trying to manipulate society, what better way than to crash an upper class party. He’s doing it for fun and intimidation.
25. All cases of these is something you complained about in your very first example. ‘Was this necessary? This kind of ‘hey folks, this is what’s happening!’ dialogue plagues the whole film.’ ‘Well, no *beep* That is OBVIOUS.’ It wasn’t fucking needed.
iii. Its done in this way to show Batman’s suprise. You’d be a shitty director/writer.
28. The difference now is that Gordon has been covering for Batman, and now he can’t anymore. The next movie is likely to have an anti-bat squad, rather than police trying to catch him if they happen to see him, as Bats is now painted as a killer vigilante.
32. If you havn’t noticed, the man sort of had a death wish. You think he wanted to live through any of that?
33. He sort of went with the flow. He’s just good enough at what he does to use things to his advantage. He’s not fucking psychic.
It certainly wasn’t a masterpiece, but I do take issue with the bullshit excuses you’re making for not enjoying this chaotic fun romp in the DC universe.
“Hey, we have to protect Harvey’s reputation as a white knight, but he’s gone and killed 5 people. How do we make those go away?”
“Well, I could say I did it. I mean, I was halfway across town when they happened, and people saw me running around saving hostages when those people were dying, but we can make it work. I’ll valiantly sacrifice myself for this city.”
“….yeeeeah, I was kinda thinking of blaming the Joker. Y’know, or his henchmen.”
“Oh.”
-anonymous
@Chungyen Chang
Having Batman being hunted by the police and hated by the public is crucial to the plot of The Dark Knight returns.
Shit I mean The Dark Knight Returns.
Whats with the rumours that the sequel’s being titled The Dark Knight Returns? It’s too similar to the second movie. If Nolan’s returning, I predict that he would not reference anything related to Batman at all this time (no more words like Knights anymore!). Artistically, it would be great to actually have a comic book movie with a title having no reference to the source material. Commercially, the studio would go bonkers unless they are willing to shell out more moolah for the marketing (which they will gladly obliged now due to the huge success of The Dark Knight).
…like this hasn’t been done before. a nobody bashes something everyone likes in order to gain attention on the internet. congrats to you my friend.
Honestly, I created this blog for my friends enjoyment only and the first post I decided to post was this one which I copy-pasted from IMDb. Its a rather interesting and funny article for my friends to enjoy only yet somehow the link got out to others and this charade of flaming began. If its not killing me, I gain from having so many visitors for this single article only rite? So, its a win-win situation for me where I get to entertain my friends and gain views from other people.
I lol’d.
I love the Joker contradictions as if the author forgot how deep the Mob was corrupting MCU… And how Deep Joker had gotten into the Entire mob sydnicate in Gotham, thus having Numerous connections NUMEROUS.
But enough bashing.
Why So serious?
Dent went into Maroni car to squeeze him for information about the corrupt cops who gave him and Rachel to Joker. He says that spilling this info out will increase his odds to survive. When Maroni says what Dents wants to hear, Dent tosses the coin, making the odds for survival of Maroni be 50/50. Maroni gets lucky and the not scarred side falls up. Dent can shoot Maroni directly now. So he tosses another coin for the drivers luck. The scarred side comes up, and he shoots the driver. You can clearly see Dent putting his safety belt in this moment. Actually this was a very interesting scene.
About your points. I agree with most of them, but I also think one has to have a certain suspension of disbelief to appreciate a movie. Almost all movies have incredible coincidences who makes the story go.
There are some points though, that I completely agree with you, namely the the time between the death of Rachel, and Two-Face trying to kill Gordon’s son.
I agree with about 80% of these points you posted.
This is one of the few films I’ve encountered where I had to suspend my disbelief simply way too far.
It seems the writers thought they could get away with cramming in memorable scenes, thoughtprovoking lines and ‘cool’ events without considering time, coincedence and logicality.
One of the many glaring incongruities that pulled me out of the movie was that everything was carried out by the Joker as if he had travelled into the future to see how he should pull off all of his plans:
e.g:
- Lining up a bus with other buses that happen to have one space long enough for an extra bus, seconds before the police arrive – without the other bus drivers seemingly caring;
- Knowing that Batman 1) would take over a police investigation, 2) would concentrate on a bullet, 3) possessed the techniques to find fingerprints on the fragments from that bullet, 4) would choose the right suspect out of four possible ones and 5) be at the exact time in the apartment that was on the suspect’s name.
- Situations that the original poster already pointed out, especially nr. 15 and 16.
Stop being a whiny bitch, get a life, and go outside you limey.